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Back in the day in  Leo's basement.... If someone had a question about a technique Leo would get up and show you how to execute it. it would usually leave no doubt in your mind of the effectiveness of the technique. Sometimes after practice some of the senior graduates/instructors who would hang out in the basement after Leo would leave.. would be working on techniques from the class or other things they may have learned elsewhere. Of course arguments would arise on wether it would work at full speed under pressure. Who come to mind are Guros Dave Paer & Rot Atay...if they disagreed one of them would say " Lets put on the pads and see"  so they would pad up and the argument would be settled after a few skimishes.

This would happen many times back in the day... it was their way to test  theories, concepts and techniques. It is still the way that Bahalanamulti-style comfirms anything may have a question on.

i bring this up because i spoke to a graduate/certified guro last night. who was assiting a master in a  seminar in Spain.He questioned the master of his system... why every time he does a certain technique that he gets hurt.

The master than shows him again.. in slow motion how to execute the technique. Of course it works. The guro than does it at full speed and the master is unable to perform the technique under pressure...in short the master got upset and did not work out with the guro for the rest of the seminar and talked bad about the guro to the other participants.

if this was in the basement back in the day..... they would have just put the pads on and lets see. 

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Comment by Sonny Sison on September 21, 2012 at 2:46pm

Proof is in the pudding.

Comment by Sacramneto EBMAS/Latosa PMAS on September 21, 2012 at 6:04pm

I agree with Sonny Sison and am still the same way today in my teaching except pads rarely come into it. Rather than pound on each other with us it is more often about who makes the killing move and reaches they're goal first/best so hits are suppressed...........it sounds like the guy in spain was simply pissed he bubble got popped in front of others. So what it happens all the time, the fella being spoke poorly about should have challenged him in front of everyone then and there and shut his pie hole up.

Comment by Henry Paz on September 21, 2012 at 6:07pm
Right on. Practice how you play. This is also a good argument for doingtr numbers with authority and precision. Were always building muscle memory. If it doesn't work in class it doesn't work. Going through some stuff right now wish I had a training buddy to bang sticks with. Take care. Stay sticky.
Comment by Sonny Sison on September 21, 2012 at 6:40pm

There's an ongoing discussion with the group FWARS (Filipino Warrior Arts Research Society) about the effectiveness of "payong/sumbrada" (roof/umbrella) block.  One member, who teaches the Russian Spetsnaz, has tested the block's validity against uncooperative opponents swinging full strength.  He's been conducting this test for over a month and the conclusion is that it does not work.  He will post video.  I will be attending the Dog Brothers Gathering this weekend and will keep my eye on those who employ it and see its success.

Comment by Sacramneto EBMAS/Latosa PMAS on September 21, 2012 at 6:59pm

maybe the russian guy is simply doing it wrong. I have had occasion to use in life and if one where doing it in a karate manner it could be an excedrin day.......doing it fluid and moving forward so as to simple deflect has kept me from having extra divets in my head ;-)

Comment by Sonny Sison on September 21, 2012 at 7:14pm

I'll hold judgement til I see the vid he postsup.  This including all the angles/footwork.

Comment by Sacramneto EBMAS/Latosa PMAS on September 21, 2012 at 7:18pm

excuse the poor quality of video, I am with GM Latosa here.......listen to his wordshttp://youtu.be/YGeBS5gVnxg

Comment by Sonny Sison on September 21, 2012 at 7:38pm

Interesting considering GM Latosa's teachers and the methods by which they taught him.  But that particular vid falls into the same line of "talking theory and hypothesis".  Can't deny video (unless it's altered).  Go full speed/full blast.  Then I'll say "yes, it works" or "nope, back to the drawing board."

Comment by Sacramneto EBMAS/Latosa PMAS on September 21, 2012 at 7:45pm

we have done it full speed, he teaches me this way because we both have a realistic view based less on tradition and more on experience. Folks are of course entittled to do as they please......I simply suggest care when facing a driven opponent with a weapon

Comment by Fayetteville Kali on September 21, 2012 at 8:37pm

I seen the movie Ong Bak a few years ago, and lead actor was doing spinning back elbows. I said, that would never work. A few years latter, John "Bones" Jones is doing them against world champions in the UFC, and winning. Just because person "A" can not  pull it off, it do not mean person  "B" will not be able to do it. So I must have a high standard in solo training and partner training, to achieve what others say can not be done. And try what others can not. 

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