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A very interesting fighting method from the Philippines...

In the Philippines, when speaking of what is referred to as the grappling aspects, you will hear words like Buno and Dumog. They mean the same but are in different dialects spoken in the Philippines. Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje refers to Buno having more to do with striking with the hands. There is also Layug from another dialect which means about the same thing. Guro Dan Inosanto uses those words often...so did the late Larry hartsell. Layug is more with the take downs from standing and Kuntzi, the standing locking tactics moreover than ground work. (Please note, I am not a Filipino dialect expert...this is what I have learned from various Guro's of Filipino Martial Arts over the years.)

Not to get off the subject but according to Whiley's book, he says Dumog is the influence in Kuntao's fighting methods. I tend to disagree with that from my research. I say that because Kuntao would be the older structured fighting method that arrived in the Philippines long before any other structured system did.

In the Inosanto Kali/Arnis/Eskrima system, it is the 7th area of the weapon styles, which includes all this:
Pangamut, Kamot-Kamot (also spelled Kamut) or Empty Hands or Panantukin (Boxing to include use of the elbows, finger jabs, shoulders or whatever part of the whole arm that can be used to strike with) All vital targets are pin-pointed in practice for good combative habits.


Pananjakman or Panantukin and Sikaran (Kicking to include use of Knees and Shin)

Dumog, Layug, or Buno (Grappling) and Kuntzi (Locking)

Ankab-Pagkusi popularly known as kini mutai (Bite and Pinch)

Sagong Labo or Higot-Hubud-Lubud ("Tying-untying, and blending the two", a trapping range sensitivity exercise) It is important to realize that these are all included as one...not JUST wrestling, as wrestling is popularly known as in the eyes of the mainstream public!

That info above is in my web site http://www.psdtc.com/Kali put in there from notes I took over the years.

We all know by now that wrestling is the nature of man. You put two 5 yr old boys in the back yard to play, they will eventually end up wrestling together. It is the nature of man showing dominance. Dumog is a structured progression with a heavy emphasis on conditioning. Many of the conditioning exercises you see are very similar to what you see in Kuntao and Silat where they really stress conditioning the leg strength and the core of the body not to mention fore-arm strength along with grip strength conditioning. There is a live training method that is "sport" oriented, depending on the Dumog teacher, that is used to gain good sensitivity on finding leverage and off balancing while searching for joint manipulations. Its kind of cool...you do it inna 6 foot diameter circle. You see who can take who out of the circle or you try to take him down within the circle. Its a great training method to develop skill in finding leverage, takedowns and locking when there is no actual "war" going on.


The combative version is just that. You don't roll around like Judo or BJJ looking for leg locks, chokes and arm bars (though there is rolling like most grappling styles when two of the same skill levels are involved). The idea is to maim and kill so you will see hair pulling, eye gouging, biting, pinching, grabbing the testicles, etc., to make joint manipulations or should I say, breaking the joints that much easier...i.e., having no resistance so it is easier to go in for the kill.


Many have asked me over the years, can a BJJ man beat a Dumog man? I will bet many of you involved in FMA's have heard that before also. To answer that, read what I just said above and you tell me. Then again, who is training harder and putting more hours of fighting? ;)
I just so happen to like both personally, so I can blend or separate as necessary.

Another edge a real Dumog man has over other types of grappling is, the finger tips are usually dipped in poison. Some of these poison formulas made from a combination of Philippine indigenous animals and insects mixed with oils from poisonous plants. All of which can kill a man in less than a minute when scratched or especially if it touches the eyes. Not to sporting huh? Is it considered cheating in real combat when survival is the outcome of the battle?

The origins of Dumog are bleak...it seems like there are many historical versions. One is, Indian influence in combination with native indigenous methods. Grappling influence is possible due to India having some influence in the Philippines going back well over a 1000 years ago. More than likely through the influence of the traders in the Hindu-Malayan culture, which had influenced a big part of the surrounding Majapahit Empire at the time! The history of many FMA origins is debatable because a lot of info was once handed down through word of mouth by tribal elders prior the Spanish rule. Everything written in some refer to as sanscrit was on leaves or rice turned into paper or carved into wood. Much of those old writings that was not destroyed by the Spanish rotted in the tropical weathering down there so a lot of old storys are dying out in modern times.

For those of you who do Silat, or Kuntao (depending on the Kuntao style) you will see the fighting and grabbing methods are very similar to Dumog. Or as I usually say, it is the same but different!

I hope I explain it well enough for you.

Ron Kosakowski
Practical Self Defense Training Center
847 Hamilton Ave. (RT 69)
Waterbury, CT 06706
203-596-9073
info@psdtc.com
http://www.psdtc.com
http://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com

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Comment by LAPU LAPU on August 10, 2009 at 9:24pm
Yes indeed I just started training and learning Dumog it is nasty and mostly illegal in any fight league like the UFC however the locking and braking of joints can be applied in grapling techniques and is legal for a tap out My instructor Master Ed Galang told me that in the Philippines you learn bare footed in the rice patties at least a foot of mud and will have to take down a water buffalo all four legs with Dumog grappling techniques. lol its an amazing art that is being taught by the few that knows
Comment by Francky POULLET-OSIER on November 10, 2009 at 6:12pm
Thanx a lot...
Comment by Ron Kosakowski on May 24, 2012 at 4:26pm

Ray, it sounds like you do Paul Vunaks stuff? He did a good job of putting in the off-balancing methods of Dumog within his style. I was just with a Kuntao guy who is also an anthropologist. I threw it at him that I suspect Dumog has some of its roots in Kuntao due to the fact Kuntao is one of the oldest styles in the Philippines.The roots of Dumog not really known so he had no answer. However, I showed him the similarities in some of the technique and he found it possible. The Spanish destroyed a lot of ancient writings therer as well as other places they conquored so much of the ancient history is very hard to prove at this point. 

Comment by Ron Kosakowski on May 24, 2012 at 4:31pm

By the way, I want to make sure people understand what I said above here...in books I have read, it says Kuntao was influenced by Dumog...I feel it is the other way around due to the fact Kuntao is older than Dumog is. Though wrestling in general, is the oldest form of male dominance in the pack. We started seeing a structured systematic progression around the time of Alexander the Great.

Comment by terry joven on May 24, 2012 at 4:42pm

Good stuff Ray & Ron!

Comment by Ron Kosakowski on May 24, 2012 at 4:51pm

Thank you...I have turned into a research fanatic lately. :)

Comment by Jorge R.Miranda on October 18, 2017 at 11:46am

 Kumtao "Kumo sa Tao" and ladyug or layug (grappling)...I feel it is wrestling in our system.  MARADJAO KARADJAO!

Comment by Ron Kosakowski on October 18, 2017 at 11:58am

Jorge R.Miranda, and that it is. :)

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