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I've spent the past three weeks using my Pekiti against Boxers, wrestlers and even Silat guys. Its been an eye opening experience to say the least. Who else here spars against other styles to adapt in a fight?

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A buddy of mine who is a member of the PTK Facebook group in Manila told me that someone posted there that they tried their empty hand PTK against boxers but failed.

That post was deleted in a few hours.

How does my system stand up when compared to others is an age old question that has caused not only debates, but arguments, rivalries, and even bad blood between individuals and organization.

However it is a valid question that many martial artists ponders. The most up to date answer that I am aware of are to be found in Mixed Martial Arts tournaments which points to Muay Thai as statistically number one while Jiu Jitsu is number two. Although this is in the context of sports, this is as realistic as it gets without being the real deal.

Now pointing to FMA relative to other non FMA arts. I believe the question is too broad. Here are some points to consider.

-Eskrima has all sorts of weapons type.

-In FMA size, speed, and strength even numbers, you are basically left to deal with your opponents regardless.

-What are the skill levels of the participants? An extreme example is some rookie of any system going against Pacquaio. That would certainly prove the superiority of that system right?

-What is the sparring style to be used? Point, continous, MMA style? Even all of these are not real, maybe realistic to some degree, but still not authentic.

-Keep in mind different FMA has different emphasis, training regimen, sub systems, etc. How does Sikaran stack up to Tae Kwon Do? How does Dumog stack up to Jiu Jitsu.

-Crosstraining is now a norm. Can you really find just a Karate guy vs just an FMA guy.

-Many systems nowadays are progressive in that the martial artists are playing a metagame where everybody is trying to counter and recounter everyone else through whatever means by constantly analyzing for improvements and closing holes in one's game and this usually mean taking what is useful regardless of the original base system.

There are probably other points, but these are just some of the few that came to mind.

Perhaps you many need to narrow your objectives and clarify the pros and cons of your observations, for example empty hands, strkining, grappling, etc.

As for my own experience for what little it is worth, I did cross train in Muay Thai for a little while. My skill level in MT was just beginner at best. I would rely on my FMA skills as that is what I know better and can depend on. Yet even with my FMA empty hand skills, I would not dare touch many of the other fighters as they are bigger, stronger, and are on a professional level. This does not mean FMA is useless, the MT fighters just overwhelms me through sheer strength, numbers, and skill level. HOWEVER, all of them were respectful of me due to my eskrima skills. Even as a beginner, due to my FMA skills, I was not completely helpless. What skills I had with sticks, knives, and other bladed implements kept all of them at bay and was wary of what I am capable of. Their empty hand skills vs a eskrimador with improvised, impact, and\or bladed weapon was not something any of them wants to tackle unless they had to and perhaps with the aid of a firearm.

There were aspects of Muay Thai, a striking art that was not present in any of the FMA empty hands that has ben taught to me so I took what I needed from that art. Although just because FMA did not have some Muay Thai aspects and vice versa, to me, it did not mean either was superior or inferior. In the end, they are both methods to achieve an end and it really is up to the individual to make them work. They both have their properties and respective strengths and I find that it is also up to the preference of the individual to choose a system that is more static that is not changing and clings to proven methods or to that which is evolving yet carries with a risk of still unproven.

you opened my eye, what did muay thai teach you in empty hands combat?

Addendum.  This question, forum, thread, etc would have more weight and credibility if it is first narrowed down to where an analysis can take place.  For example each campof lets say Dumog and Jiu Jitsu may present fighters of similar skill level, experience, weight, and size and have matches.  Each match can go for several rounds.  With enough rounds and matches, some objective data may be found.

Another way is to get  respective experts from each field, lets say Sikaran and Tae Kwon Do discuss their strategies, tactics, and training methods in order to discuss the merits and weaknesses of their arts in the field of kicking.  While we are in the topic of "kicking", keep in mind you may want to consider Muay Thai style kicking, Karate style kicking, Savate style kicking, Kung Fu style kicking and realizing the fact that all those genres has many variations as well.  If the debate is civilized the strengths and weaknesses of each system may be brought to the fore.  

These suggestions may come up with some answers to your "My FMA" vs "Non FMA", but it is still short of reality and as I mentioned, FMA has so infinie variables that it is hard to compare it with other systems.  The can of worms you have decided to open, I believe is just way too vast.

Hmmmm this is all eye opening.

Good points Chris!


All the sparing aside.  I like to test myself in "Live" situations. I go against convicts, gangsters, military, police. I have learned things that I try to share with my students. My true goal is to give them the "eye",  and I continue to test FMA philosophy at a Tier 1 level and build respect for our art.

what security organization are you with Johnny?

I have done this many times. I like seeing what it is I have under hood and they say in street racing! I belong to the UFC gym in my Town. I go and like to get into the ring and give it a try. The most important lesson you can learn from doing this is do not play with another fighter in his backyard but bring them into your backyard and play! Fight from where your strengths are not theirs. Remember that martial arts is about fighting with deception!

Theatricality and Deception. Powerful agent to the uninitated.

If an FMA practitioner has not sparred outside of his system, with and without weapons , there will be a lot more "openings" beyond eyes.

@ Sonny Sison...

I totally agree...just because their instructor, teacher, founder can play doesn't mean that they can play... to many people hiding behind certificates, titles or reasoning that their techniques are to "Dangerous" to spar. Personally I think there scared and they have no faith in the training. Losing in sparring is not the end of the is meant to teach you that you may not have all the answers and you may need to change up! Bahala na!    not....Kay  sa ra sa ra



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