I was taught to use a walking cane like a sword (dos manos). Its very simple. Combine this with basic spear/ bayonet systems and you have a mighty fine urban defense tool. Hits hard, good reach legal damn near any where. Josh
Which system did you learn that from? "Dos Manos" means "two hands" so (I assume) you wield the walking cane with two hands like the japanese sword or european long swords right? How long a cane is used for that?
Yes, Modifed Tapido, does. They do strike with power. They use coffe wood stick as others brake when they strike. If you are interested contact Master Joe Tan, in Panorama City California. I have played some with him, at 62 he still very fast and has power.
I learned this initially from an SCA friend of mine, however I was formally educated by Ralph Grasso who learned from Danny Paulo under Prof.Marinas. Ralph also turned me on to the use of the walking stick or cane like a bayonet for close quarters .this was taught to him by Charles Nelson. The combination is highly effective. Very versatile.
Honestly if you take the same principles from your FMA training with a little brain work you can probably figure out the basics yourself . There are only so many planes of movement, one handed or two, they are the same.
Only difference in dos manos grip(sword style) is the strikes are a little bit slower, but the power and reach totally make up for it. A Two handed strike will blast through a one handed block usually.As far as size of the cane and so forth, Personally i like a cane or stick about 38 inches- i am 5'11", so depending on your height i would say 2 inches taller than what ever your normal length would be, unless you are rather tall then add a few. I say use one you like because if you don't like it, you wont carry it.
Once the distance gets close we use the stick like a bayonet / pugil stick.. I have found during sparring (walking cane vs stick ) that no one will stay at range with some one with a larger stick and will always attempt to close the gap. if you are using a cane in dos manos grip and the distance becomes close quarters the longer stick method must be adapted to maintain effectiveness . the body mechanics of the bayonet/ pugil stick is similar to that of boxing - hope this helps , dont hesitate to ask if i can answer any questions -Josh
So the term "dos manos" is used formally in SCA as well as in the system of Prof. Marinas? Is that correct? I'm interested in finding out the system(s) that use the term and, eventually, finding where it came from. To your knowledge, what does the term "dos manos" really stand for? Is it a kind of grip, a sub-system of a larger martial art, a weapon, etc?
What is a "pugil" stick? Is "pugil" a Filipino term? What does it mean literally? Which systems use the term "pugil"?
Bahala Na Multi-Style uses the term Dos Manos also referring to a 2 handed heavy strike or killing blow Tero Grave. Leo Giron also used the palabas which was a long handled sword.
Their is a sytem from Negros Occidental called Topado heavy striking with 2 hands mostly verticle v shaped striking pattern, very hard to close on if you skilled in that style.Their are a few Topado instructors in northern california. Similar to the Estilo Balante of Leo Giron which is used to fight in doorways or hallways or in the jungle where horiontal striking is inhibited.
"Palabas"? "Palabas" means "a show" or "a presentation" in Filipino (tagalog). Perhaps you meant "Panabas", a long-handled bladed weapon (blade approximately equally as long as the handle, blade is curved and square-tipped).
The two-handed long stick system from Negros Occidental is spelled "tapado" but pronounced tah-pah-doh
("Tah" rhymes with "spa", "pah" rhymes with "spa", "doh" rhymes with "flaw").
I believe its Estilo "Bolante" and not "Balante".
Anyway,.... "Dos Manos" means "two hands" (dos = two, manos = hands). But I'm researching what dos manos means to the different systems/masters that use the term. So in Giron's system "dos manos" is a kind of grip and not associated with any particular weapon or stick length. Correct?
sorry for the mis-spelling of the words. Just going by memory.
Yes you are correct "dos manos" in our system does refer to the grip. It usually means to strike with a double hand heavy blow.
We also play some times with sticks that are 36-48 or longer and use a two handed grip.
Also in the largo mano system we have a what we call bayonet drills and largo mano defense. Which is also a two handed grip similar to holding a rifle. Where you block/parry the initial attack than counter with a butt stroke, slashing and stabing techniques that Leo used with a rifle during ww2.
here is an explanation i just received from Master Mike Giron, Leo's oldest son."As for dos manos it is not a style within the Giron system. It is used as a finalizing method in which you strike your opponent with (if you are right handed) a power assist with your left hand. It is a combination of pushing your left hand upon your right hand to deliver a more severe strike. The key in executing the dos manos method is to make sure your opponent is out of position or fully committed with his delivery. It is not a 2 handed strike to where both hands are gripping the weopon. The reason it is not a 2 handed grip as the left hand needs to be ready available to check or parry in case of a returning strike. The dos manos method is normally used when delivering a no 2 or a no 9."
There ya go almost straight from the horses mouth. i hope that helps you out!
Ah! So MIke Giron's explanation actually defines "dos manos" as a turbo-boosted right hand strike (left hand acts as turbo by pressing on the right hand but not actually gripping the handle of the weapon).
But using "dos manos" to label full two-handed grips when doing long staff and bayonet techniques seems to contradict MIke Giron's explanation.
Perhaps "dos manos" is a description used for an action where the two hands cooperate to execute a single movement. So for a regular stick, having the left assist the right to do a strike qualifies as "dos manos". On a long staff or bayonet, the hands may be farther apart but still cooperate in doing thrusts or swings and so are referred to as "dos manos" also.