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Permalink Reply by Brian "Buzz" Smith on May 1, 2009 at 8:50pm

In Kuntaw we have Bugtongan - sword and shield. Bugtongan also means to puzzle or to trick. This stick fighting system uses a lot of change ups and false strikes. It is an 8 angle 3 thrust pattern.

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Permalink Reply by Guru/Sifu John on May 2, 2009 at 3:19pm

Brian.
Thanks for contributing to this thread.From your short info hear i like what aim reading.Sounds similar to what i do in a certain fashion the change ups and false strike a very a kin to my own stick work.Would like to hear more about what you do,like thoughs 8 angles an 3 thrusting patterns.

Guru/Sifu John.

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Permalink Reply by Joshua Morale on May 3, 2009 at 12:36pm

Personally I prefer a longer stick 36"-40" used in a Dos Manos and bayonet combination the longer stick hits harder ,is difficult to block against and gives you extra reach. The draw back is the slower speed. when used like a bayonet it covers the close range and is pretty versatile. I still practice the shorter baston but prefer the larger stick. For practical purposes where i live carrying a stick in public is a no no, as is the collapsible baton, or any thing interpreted as a bludgeon. I can how ever, carry a walking stick or cane with no hassle. Mixed with a few other basic methods and the longer stick is pretty versatile-Josh

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Permalink Reply by Guru/Sifu John on May 3, 2009 at 3:50pm

Joshua Morale

Thanks for contributing,we all are preference over other aspects in weapons and even into the empty hand.We all live in a society where we must take from the traditional an make it practical to the society and customs and laws of the lands we all live in.No two areas of the world are the same.Like what Joshua was referring to of anything that is construed as being of a bludgeoning weapon you cant have where he lives,but on the other hand you can carry and use walking sticks or cains.Even though you can hit someone with these too.

Guru/Sifu John.

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Permalink Reply by Bill on May 5, 2009 at 3:35am

In my defensive tactics program, the weapons length varies between a palm stick up to and including walking sticks of up to 35 inches in length.. I teach/train the systems that GM Reston who orignally was from Batangas and relocated to the central Luzon province of Pampanga.. While he was living, he taught sinko tiros and balintawak eskrima (not from cebu) which he had learned from some of the manongs who he had the ability to train with before and after ww2..
The Balintawak system he taught uses a stick length of 29-31 inches and is more of an older estokada system where as the sinko tiros system was more of a slashing system due to the influences of the central Luzon eskrimadors from the Pampanga and Tarlac provinces..

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Permalink Reply by Guru/Sifu John on May 6, 2009 at 4:57pm

Having different types of sticks from pipes to axe handles or the more common stick may be a matter of preference for many individuals or just out of necessities for the particular situation that you may find yourself in.Regardless of item in your hand its how you use it which really counts.So training with multiple lengths,double,single,with knife or sword or any other tool is only to strengthen your ability to adapt to any item as a weapon when you may need to improvise at a moments notice.

Guru/Sifu John.

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Permalink Reply by Pedro Pereira da Silva on May 8, 2009 at 5:48am

This style is portuguese.
It uses long stick (1, 55 meters) and 80 cm stick.
One on one and one vs multiple.
Enjoy please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSDSsereOdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBBmokN6Kg4

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Permalink Reply by Guru/Sifu John on May 8, 2009 at 5:43pm

Hay everyone.

A few years ago i read an article about a Portuguese stick style of fighting that uses large sized staff.That was held and used like a two handed sword,the article stated that the origins of the art were derived from the medieval weapons play that was eventually evolved into a stick style that they know today as jogo a pogo if my memory serves me right.This style like many are not unique in the fact they origins came from blade/weapons art of fighting to form a stick based style.Many reasons for this type of evolution,like in the occupations of southeast Asian areas of from the colonial powers they outlawed all indigenous martial arts, including all weapons.Or something more mundane as the evolution of the firearms that eventually replaced the European style of war cutlery.Regardless of the actual reason this just proves that most arts just repackage them selves for on new time and ara so they live on to be useful for coming generations of practitioners.

Guru/Sifu John.

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Burgess on August 25, 2009 at 2:16am

FMA and a lot of these other stick fighting art in Brazil, Portugal, Basque, etc... is directly influenced by the early French, Basque, Portuguese, and Spanish explorers. What we know as FMA in the Christanized areas of the Philippines come from them. The Filipinos though have their own unique expression of the explorer's influences. That is why we don't find these arts in uncolonized area of these explorers.

Near the island of Newfoundland, Canada there is a Small Basque settlement owned by France. They have wonderful festival in the summer which you can see these simular stick fighting arts. They resemble more like dance now a days. It is on the Island of St. Pierre et Miqulon. I invite FMA people to go and see.

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Permalink Reply by John R. Malmo on May 9, 2009 at 9:09am

Nearly all cultures have used sticks for warfare and defense. There exists numerous systems throughout the world from Muti practiced in Haiti and the Kongo, Nuba stickfighting in the Moro region, the Surma groups (Mursi, Suri, Me'en) and Nyangatom all participate in the donga stick fights, the French have Canne de Combat, Venezuelan El Juego del Garrote, Irish Bataireacht and the use of shillelagh, and Silambam from Tamil Nadu. These are just a few of the vast styles. Most of us are more familiar with the stick fighting of China, Japan, Indonesia, and of couse the Philippines.

In my own culture of Anishinaabe (Ojibwe, Chippewa), we utilize many sticks or war clubs (bagamaagan.) Most know our ball headed war club (bikwaakwado-bagamaagan.) These are some of the things that I strive to teach from my heritage.

We also use gunstock clubs (baashkiziganaatig), various axes/hatchets/tomahawks (waagaakwadoons) spears/lances (zhimaagan), and our normal implements such as rice sticks.

Pictured is Chief Hole in the Day

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Permalink Reply by Guru/Sifu John on May 9, 2009 at 4:46pm

John R. Malmo

Thank you for your contribution,as i have thought along with many out there.A multitude of cultures,peoples,countries have all at one time or another used stick fighting methods to wage war.But the American Natives should be given their due recognition for there war implements.Like John's heritage has war clubs,gun stock clubs,axes/tomahawks, spear/lances,rices sticks.For many of a century native American tools of war like these,decided the difference of life and death on this Continent.A good example of Indian fighting weapons living on is in the US Army Rangers,where they have a trade mark weapon the tomahawk.Coming from the Rangers origins in Americas founding days.

Guru/Sifu John.

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Permalink Reply by Brian "Buzz" Smith on May 9, 2009 at 5:28pm

I am in the process of doing a video of this system,but, for those who are impatient, there are a few videos up on youtube that show some aspects of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzldVjV1yBw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vm3SQUd_HU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ESXZBTcleQ
Guru/Sifu John said:

Brian.
Thanks for contributing to this thread.From your short info hear i like what aim reading.Sounds similar to what i do in a certain fashion the change ups and false strike a very a kin to my own stick work.Would like to hear more about what you do,like thoughs 8 angles an 3 thrusting patterns.

Guru/Sifu John.

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